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		<title>By: natalie shell</title>
		<link>http://natalieshell.com/2007/05/24/on-myones-role/#comment-38242</link>
		<dc:creator>natalie shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to go with balint's story:
"An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get burnt, is to become
the fire".
  -- Drew Dellinger

via Peggy Holman today www.opencirclecompany.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to go with balint&#8217;s story:<br />
&#8220;An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get burnt, is to become<br />
the fire&#8221;.<br />
  &#8212; Drew Dellinger</p>
<p>via Peggy Holman today <a href="http://www.opencirclecompany.com" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.opencirclecompany.com?referer=');">http://www.opencirclecompany.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Natalie Shell: think talk walk &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Medium Is The Message&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://natalieshell.com/2007/05/24/on-myones-role/#comment-35667</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie Shell: think talk walk &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Medium Is The Message&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] one hand, I agree - it is in a lot of texts and stories about, for instance, you being the way - be the change type stuff (if you see yourself as a medium&#8230;). And of course when I make up stories I am for sure [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] one hand, I agree - it is in a lot of texts and stories about, for instance, you being the way - be the change type stuff (if you see yourself as a medium&#8230;). And of course when I make up stories I am for sure [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie Shell</title>
		<link>http://natalieshell.com/2007/05/24/on-myones-role/#comment-25394</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie Shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œEveryone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself.â€

Tolstoy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œEveryone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself.â€</p>
<p>Tolstoy</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie Shell: think talk walk &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Great Question to Ask Yourself</title>
		<link>http://natalieshell.com/2007/05/24/on-myones-role/#comment-22251</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie Shell: think talk walk &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Great Question to Ask Yourself</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on my/one&#8217;s role  - failure breeds success  - every person is a world  - get out there and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on my/one&#8217;s role  - failure breeds success  - every person is a world  - get out there and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: natalie shell</title>
		<link>http://natalieshell.com/2007/05/24/on-myones-role/#comment-21631</link>
		<dc:creator>natalie shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œBe yourself; everyone else is already taken.â€ -Oscar Wilde</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œBe yourself; everyone else is already taken.â€ -Oscar Wilde</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie Shell</title>
		<link>http://natalieshell.com/2007/05/24/on-myones-role/#comment-20149</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie Shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks to all of you for your feedback and support on this! Kenn, Balint Marge and more!
And Lina - an old post that relates from last year, and just refound:
http://natalieshell.com/2006/07/13/saving-humanity-and-taking-care/
perhaps I have been saying the same things for a while but they are sinking deeper and I am living them more, embodying them, and being ok with them,too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks to all of you for your feedback and support on this! Kenn, Balint Marge and more!<br />
And Lina - an old post that relates from last year, and just refound:<br />
<a href="http://natalieshell.com/2006/07/13/saving-humanity-and-taking-care/" rel="nofollow">http://natalieshell.com/2006/07/13/saving-humanity-and-taking-care/</a><br />
perhaps I have been saying the same things for a while but they are sinking deeper and I am living them more, embodying them, and being ok with them,too!</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie Shell</title>
		<link>http://natalieshell.com/2007/05/24/on-myones-role/#comment-18848</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie Shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 19:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A comment from Marge: how can I be a blessing for the world today?""- this is a question she asks herself...and it was useful for me also because it reminds me of the importance that I am also a vessel/instrument for what is asking to come through me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A comment from Marge: how can I be a blessing for the world today?&#8221;"- this is a question she asks herself&#8230;and it was useful for me also because it reminds me of the importance that I am also a vessel/instrument for what is asking to come through me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: balint</title>
		<link>http://natalieshell.com/2007/05/24/on-myones-role/#comment-18571</link>
		<dc:creator>balint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first story reminds me of the way I think about maths -


The key story:
Imagine you are in a dark room and you start feeling your way around it. Eventually you will learn all there is to know about the room and its contents. You will find the light switch, read all the books, watch all the videos etc. Imagine also that you come across a locked door to which you do not have a key and which you are unable to kick down. Most scientific disciplines would offer solutions at this point. Engineers would try and build a camera to fit through the key hole. Physicists would try to garner as much info as possible from the light seeping through the key-hole. Ditto chemists, who would attempt to understand the chemical composition of the universe beyond by analyzing the atoms that travel through the key-hole.

Maths outdoes all the other sciences. It would try and find an object (better still invent an object) that adheres to the stipulations of permanence and correspondence; as well as, most importantly, fits through the key-hole. Correspondence requires that there be a one-to-one correspondence between any given point on the new object and myself (or whoever is stuck in the original room). Think of the one-to-one correspondence between the pimple on the face and cape town on the map on the other side of the sheet of A4 paper (the example we discussed earlier). Its imperative that the correspondence is one-to-one, i.e. pimple corresponds only to cape town and vica versa! If cape town can correspond to pimple as well as left earlobe, the whole thing breaks down. Permanence requires that whatever mathematical (or otherwise in our analogy here) rules of operation defy the person in the room, also apply and defy the new object. And thus the mathematician succeeds where the others faltered: he actually gets to travel through the keyhole himself and explore another room and this can go on for ever (or untill the whole universe has been exhausted).

Basically, all mathematical tools one learns about in school or university are such objects. Logarythms, algorythms, trigonometry, calculus etc etc.

As an easy example of permanence, think of the ancients to whom the very concept of a negative number was absurd. How can you have minus 27 chickens??? To them, numbers started with one and that was that. They went through the keyhole as it were to another room when the admited the negative realm to their numbers. They realized that the positive number room was just a small room within a much larger room that contained the negative numbers as well. Permanence dictated this since all the rules that define positive integers (the commutative, associative and distributive laws for the sake of simplicity) also admit negative numbers. So even though the concept of a negative number seemed alien to the ancients at first, they had to accept that positive numbers were but a mere subset of a much larger family - a family that through the ages (and with the help of correspondence and permanence) grew to include ratios, surds, irrational numbers, transcendental or non-algebraic numbers, imaginary numbers, complex cojugates and all sorts of matrix-based contraptions that are frankly beyond me.

Hope this helps Natalie and see you soon.

Balint</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first story reminds me of the way I think about maths -</p>
<p>The key story:<br />
Imagine you are in a dark room and you start feeling your way around it. Eventually you will learn all there is to know about the room and its contents. You will find the light switch, read all the books, watch all the videos etc. Imagine also that you come across a locked door to which you do not have a key and which you are unable to kick down. Most scientific disciplines would offer solutions at this point. Engineers would try and build a camera to fit through the key hole. Physicists would try to garner as much info as possible from the light seeping through the key-hole. Ditto chemists, who would attempt to understand the chemical composition of the universe beyond by analyzing the atoms that travel through the key-hole.</p>
<p>Maths outdoes all the other sciences. It would try and find an object (better still invent an object) that adheres to the stipulations of permanence and correspondence; as well as, most importantly, fits through the key-hole. Correspondence requires that there be a one-to-one correspondence between any given point on the new object and myself (or whoever is stuck in the original room). Think of the one-to-one correspondence between the pimple on the face and cape town on the map on the other side of the sheet of A4 paper (the example we discussed earlier). Its imperative that the correspondence is one-to-one, i.e. pimple corresponds only to cape town and vica versa! If cape town can correspond to pimple as well as left earlobe, the whole thing breaks down. Permanence requires that whatever mathematical (or otherwise in our analogy here) rules of operation defy the person in the room, also apply and defy the new object. And thus the mathematician succeeds where the others faltered: he actually gets to travel through the keyhole himself and explore another room and this can go on for ever (or untill the whole universe has been exhausted).</p>
<p>Basically, all mathematical tools one learns about in school or university are such objects. Logarythms, algorythms, trigonometry, calculus etc etc.</p>
<p>As an easy example of permanence, think of the ancients to whom the very concept of a negative number was absurd. How can you have minus 27 chickens??? To them, numbers started with one and that was that. They went through the keyhole as it were to another room when the admited the negative realm to their numbers. They realized that the positive number room was just a small room within a much larger room that contained the negative numbers as well. Permanence dictated this since all the rules that define positive integers (the commutative, associative and distributive laws for the sake of simplicity) also admit negative numbers. So even though the concept of a negative number seemed alien to the ancients at first, they had to accept that positive numbers were but a mere subset of a much larger family - a family that through the ages (and with the help of correspondence and permanence) grew to include ratios, surds, irrational numbers, transcendental or non-algebraic numbers, imaginary numbers, complex cojugates and all sorts of matrix-based contraptions that are frankly beyond me.</p>
<p>Hope this helps Natalie and see you soon.</p>
<p>Balint</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie Shell</title>
		<link>http://natalieshell.com/2007/05/24/on-myones-role/#comment-18320</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie Shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 00:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>argh more related thoughts:
listen to the landscape - what does your inner landscape look like?
the freedom of a structure and rigourous process...(not the same as a rigid!)
- ie music works on lines of music sheet to be played...helps musician to know what note to play...even though it is true that music exists off that sheet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>argh more related thoughts:<br />
listen to the landscape - what does your inner landscape look like?<br />
the freedom of a structure and rigourous process&#8230;(not the same as a rigid!)<br />
- ie music works on lines of music sheet to be played&#8230;helps musician to know what note to play&#8230;even though it is true that music exists off that sheet</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie Shell</title>
		<link>http://natalieshell.com/2007/05/24/on-myones-role/#comment-17741</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie Shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 14:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œBe occupied, then, with what you really value and let the thief take something else.â€ - Rumi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œBe occupied, then, with what you really value and let the thief take something else.â€ - Rumi</p>
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